I wanted to add a comment but, once I got started, ran out of space. Instead, I've put it here.
It took me years to realise that I had been educated to privilege men's writing over women's. Like a lot of girls educated in the seventies and eighties, I grew up reading a canon of "great literature" written by men (and, primarily, for men). At school we read almost exclusively male writers, including Chaucer, Shakespeare, Donne, Keats, Dickens, Sophocles, Patrick White, Kenneth Slessor, AD Hope, Bruce Dawe and Ray Lawler. Our one woman author was Jane Austen (three different novels read successively in Years 10, 11 and 12).
At uni, the trend continued, though the number of women authors studied expanded to include Mary Shelley, the Brontes and Emily Dickinson, as well as modernists such as Djuna Barnes and HD. Most of my tutors were male, and most were influenced by the "great" (male) literary critics as FR Leavis and Northrope Frye, and later Barthes, Derrida and Raymond Williams. Without realising it, I was being educated into the view that "good" writing focused on something other than (what were then primarily) women's interests and concerns - relationships, domesticity, "feelings", the woman's point of view (except as rendered by "masters" like Henry James and DH Lawrence). Subject matter concerning women was regarded trivial, ephemeral, sloppy and sentimental. While it was obvious that literary fashions and tastes changed over time, "good" literature nevertheleess could be counted on to focus on concerns such as history, politics, spirituality, ironic views of the court and society, nature, adventure, women's duplicity, women's unavailability, women's shrewishness... Only when women writers wrote of such realms and did it well (or happened to be Jane Austen) were they deemed wothy of study. The exclusion of the majority of women authors wasn't deliberate: it was just a matter of “quality”. And there weren't really all that many women who wrote, were there? Not according to the literary histories.
This not-so-subtle indoctrination wasn't restricted to our appreciation of the great "classics" of literature, produced in an age when women weren't as educated as men. It was also at work in the formation of contemporary literary canons in the 80s and 90s. My chosen area of study was Australian poetry, but it took most of my PhD for me to realise that my choice of subject matter (the "new Australian poetry" of the 60s, 70s and 80s) was predicated on the values I'd absorbed through my male-dominated (in every sense) education. And, guess what? The majority of poets whose work I “chose” to study were men.
Yes, I'm privileged - I'm lucky to have *had* an education: but what kind of education was it? I had been educated to the point that I was unconsciously reproducing in my own reading "preference" a gender bias which meant that I actively contributed to the marginalisation of talented women poets of that time. These poets’ work was actively being written out of what was considered "worthy" or "valuable" in terms of literary history. Who by? By male editors of anthologies which disproportionately represented men over women, editors who unashamedly made their selections based on a seemingly value-neutral notion of "quality". (The publication of Kate Jennings' anthology of Australian women's poetry, Mother I'm Rooted, and later, the Penguin Anthology of Australian Women's Writing, showed there was no shortage of poetry written by women: but the majority of this work simply wasn't considered "good" enough to be included in the anthologies.)
"Sean", one of the commentators out on Moss's blog, pointed out that Anne Summers (and Jennings, among others) decried the marginalisation of women writers way back in the 70s. I conducted my research in the 90s and only gradually became aware of the problem; it was almost - but not quite - too late for my thesis: my final chapter was devoted to the "missing" women poets.
Now it’s 2011 and we’re still having the same debate...
But things have changed. We have the internet, for one. It has helped to create a community of extremely talented and articulate Australian women who are able to identify and question their own biases, who have acknowledged and decried the lack of recognition given to Australian women writers, and are active in redressing the injustice in whatever way they can. In Moss's case, it's by repeating the statistics which so clearly demonstrate the injustice, and by showing grace and courage in not being cowed by critics who don’t – can’t? – know the depth and breadth of the injustices faced by many successive generations of Australian women writers.
As for the creation of the Stella prize exclusively for women's fiction, it may be that the "best" women writers will be judged according to an aesthetic which reflects the values of a dominant (presently male-dominated) culture; the prize may serve to make these women authors more visible, and attract for them the attention and rewards necessary to hold their own against comparative male writers; hopefully they’ll be feted and interviewed, invited to appear on festival panels, sell more books and survive. They'll provide the role model for younger women writers to aspire to. Or maybe an alternative aesthetic will gradually develop as women readers focus more of our attention on what and why we judge to be “great” in women’s writing. Perhaps we'll develop an aesthetic, collectively or individually, which better reflects the breadth and diversity of Australian women's lived experiences, culture and values.
Whatever happens, it will happen because women readers, critics, reviewers and writers take each other’s work seriously, and treat each other with the respect owed to professionals; it will be because we continue to develop and question the basis of our own tastes and preferences, as well as actively seek out writing by women which we can champion and enjoy.
If some male reviewers, critics, judges and readers also find something of value in such works, great. If they don't, who cares?

Fabulous post Elizabeth.
ReplyDeleteBravo! And may I comment that posting/talking about it even if it seems like Feminism 101 is worth it.
ReplyDeleteHello, Elizabeth.
ReplyDeleteThank you for writing this excellent piece.
It does seem remarkable to me that in 2011 women still can't discuss the real, statistically-backed issue of gender bias without receiving patronising insults. Thank you for your thoughtful post.
Best wishes,
Tara
Thanks for your kind replies Keziah, Sean and Tara. It is remarkable, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteWell said, Elizabeth! And kudos to Tara for her guts.
ReplyDeleteWhoo hoo, Elizabeth. For Romance writers, trivialization is a given.
ReplyDeleteBut you gave me an idea for my blog tomorrow!!!
Thanks, Marg and Diane. Diane, glad you've been inspired!
ReplyDeleteElizabeth, I hope you don't mind but I linked to this blog from mine, at the end of my post.
ReplyDeleteBest wishes,
Tara
Mind? Not at all! If other women can relate to my experience (or start to think about their own), I'm all for it. I'm glad to be able to contribute.
ReplyDeleteThat reviewer has done us all a favour by stimulating interest in the points your blog raises. The fact that your discussion could honestly be regarded as petty by someone in such a position underscores the entrenched opposition Australian women writers face.
I hope you've still managed to write in the midst of it all.
cheers
Elizabeth
There is a female aesthetic and some of us have been involved in creating it over many years. I joined the women's liberation movement nearly 40 years ago now (seems incredible that number) and very early on I began to read feminist writers. I also realized I'd read some at school (M Barnard Eldershaw and Harper Lee for example) but hadn't known they were women. I decided at some stage that I would catch up on the women writers and feminist writers I'd missed. I'm still catching up and I think I've read the best books in the world, because you hVe to be good to be published if you are a woman, no matter what name you use.
ReplyDeleteIt's also why I set up (with Renate Klein) a feminist press, Spinifex Press and the need for feminist presses is greater than ever. I am writing this just after spending the last week at the Frankfurt Book Fair.
Hi Susan
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for taking the time to reply. You must feel like tearing your hair out when you read this stuff.
I'm really interested in what you say about the female aesthetic that you and others have worked so hard to create over many years both as a writer and as a publisher of women's writing. I wonder if the following perception of the "female aesthetic" you've helped to create justified.
Even though the marginalization of women writers appears to cross all genres, class and political divides, a perception persists, rightly or wrongly, that the female aesthetic promoted by some feminist writers, academics and publishers privileges the "literary" and avant-garde or radical above the more generically commercial. While such an aesthetic might encourage and champion writing of a standard needed to attract literary prizes (so the perception goes), it's not readily apparent how it can help women writers of more commercial genres such as crime (the trigger for this blog) and, even more particularly, romance writing.
On the contrary, in the case of romance writing (following from Greer), the "feminist" aesthetic is seen to be actively hostile toward the genre, viewing it as contributing to women's ongoing oppression. This is so despite the fact that romance writing communities worldwide enjoy all the strengths that can be derived from women's collectivity, and have been active for many years in support of women who are among the most professional, organized and best able to make a living of all contemporary writers, while remaining the most pilloried and derided.
Any thoughts? Is such a view of the feminist aesthetic you’ve helped to create justified? (Would Spinifex Press ever consider publishing a romance?)
I was thinking more about this after I posted my last comment, so thanks for responding. If things were 'equal' in the lit world Anna Seghers would be as famous as Heinrich Boell and Dorothy Richardson as famous as James Joyce. Seghers and Richardson were both ground breakers, and in the case of Richardson, she was the first to employ stream of consciousness writing. Gillian Hanscombe wrote a wonderful study about her in about 1982. There are many other names I could mention (HD would be as readily available as Ezra Pound - who continues to be famous in spite of his ghastly politics).
ReplyDeleteThese are important questions rarely discussed.
I think the issue of genres is a very different one from the issue of literary quality. Miss Smilla's feeling for snow gets away with being a thriller, but if a feminist writer does the same, for example Finola Moorhead's Darkness More Visible, which is a kind of literary thriller, it is ignored, as both literary AND thriller. Instead of being both it becomes neither! Finola's work deserves much more attention, which it had when she first published but which dropped away as she developed her writing. You have to wonder!
ReplyDeleteMore on genres: the problem with genres is that they run on stereotypes, or at least the mainstream versions do. Feminist writers changed what counted as crime fiction by changing crime fiction. The same has happened in scifi and romance. In romance, however, any book that shifts the ground too far is no longer considered romance.
ReplyDeleteSo while crime, thriller and sicfi have shifted (a bit), romance has been barely touched. Likewise the genre of male adventure stories, or westerns. these two are totally fixed on male and female gender stereotypes as well as being based on the model of heterosexuality (even when not all the actors are heterosexual).
Spinifex is unlikely to publish what counts as romance in any way recognized by booksellers or reviewers as romance. That doesn't mean that we don't publish books about the complexity of relationships.
Sorry to be so late to the party, but I was reading some of Elizabeth's earlier posts after her wonderful essay on sentimentality and genre. I would challenge the assertion that 'romance has barely been touched'. I can cite some examples---rape/forced seduction, which used to be common in the romances of the 80s, now sparks furious discussion online when it appears in new books; a sample of Mills & Boon books from each decade would likely reveal changes in heroine's careers, life aspirations and tolerance for domineering heroes; sex in romance tends to the empowered heroine, who initiates, drives or controls the seduction. There are also entire (sub)genres that have sprouted off romance when the boundaries (usually--but not always--the promised happy ending) have shifted too much, including urban fantasy and romantic erotica (which includes non-traditional pairings--m/m, f/f, m/m/f--that some may argue are written by women for women).
DeleteAlso in reply to Elizabeth's reply that mentions plot-driven stories, romance readers and authors generally consider their stories to be character driven insofar as anything to do with the external plot must serve the emotional arc that the protagonists go though. Whether or not authors render their characters well or consistently is, I think, a question of craft rather than genre.
Thanks once again for taking the time to respond, Susan. You've given me some things to think about as well as some new names. And you've inspired me to post a few thoughts on romance writing.
ReplyDeleteI'd be interested to hear in what way you think feminists have changed what counts as crime fiction. Are you thinkig of Dorothy Porter? Also, given that the boundaries of what constitutes romance has been stretched, I'm also interested in what you perceive to be its ongoing stereotypes.
In regard to generic fiction generally and why its regarded as having less intrinsic merit than "literary" fiction, I wonder how much is due to the perceived need to emphasise on plot, and the demand to portray traditional "heroes", both male and female, with a typical "story arc", rather than subtlety and complexity in character and relationships?
The recent discussions over the "dumbing down" of the Man Booker and the requirement of greater "readability" would seem pertinent, too, here.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
No I wasn't thinking Dorothy Porter who came rather late to rewriting rules for crime fiction. She certainly achieved that, but there had also been others who had done it. At the beginning Patchectsky had a profound effect but writers like Finola Moorhead and Gillian Hanscombe and Joan Smith had also done challenging things with structure, form, narrator etc.
ReplyDeleteMost writers tend to fall either in literary or popular camp and literary is always far more challenging not only in terms of structure but in the kinds of characterizations that are made. Virginia Woolf for example, her character SEE the world and experience it differently. A writer like Monique Wittig turns the idea of character on it's head as does someone like Nicole Brossard. There are so many different ways that a novel can be written. you can use nothing but direct speech like Nathalie Sarraute's Fools Say or interior viewpoint, such as Lara Fergus in My Sister Chaos. you can also use multiple strands like Andree Chedid (and me too). The varieties and permutations are endless. That is what is so fantastic about literary fiction and in my view those who do the most exciting work are very frequently women. The other 'group' whose work breaks forms and boundaries in exciting ways are writers from places not well known in the mainstream, books like Carpentaria, or The Bone People just to mention a couple of fairly local examples.
Thanks again for your input.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the literary is far more challenging is really important in a political context, especially as one of the objections to Tara Moss's post around the statistics regarding women in publishing and literary prizes mentioned the issue about men's literacy.
One of the reasons I initially became interested in romance as a genre, and crime writing and commercial fiction generally, was the question of how to negotiate politics, audience and appeal. If the writers whose politics I most admired had only a handful of people as an audience, and mass market fiction was dominated by writers with more conservative values, anchored to narrative, what hope was there? Were poets (the unacknowledged legislators) trusting in the literary equivalent of the "trickle down" effect? Were they well-educated elitists writing for one another while the majority of readers (when they read at all) consumed the type of writing (and values) which kept unjust institutions firmly in place?
I understand that some avantgarde aesthetics would argue that it takes a revolution in form and structure (found in the work Woolf and no doubt of the others you mention) to change consciousness and, over the long term, this does appear so. (Science writer Jonah Lehrer on Natasha Mitchell's replay of the All in the Mind podcast this week certainly argues that many writers have anticipated neuroscience: I don't know how valid his thinking is, but it's interesting: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2008/2154661.htm)
In the short term, however, how many people are indoctrinated by less challenging political perspectives, simply because writers of particular political persuasions think "readability" equates with cop-out?
That isn't to say literary writers who break the boundaries aren't extremely important in political terms; clearly they are. But they are super-educated into promoting and appreciating a type of writing that most people will never read or want to read. Given that the common reader is addicted to narrative, isn't it equally "valuable" to work within that dominant structure, if only on the grounds of giving greater voice to a certain political bent? I'd still like to be convinced how such a political project can be distinguished from the aesthetic and the "longer-term" revolutionary in determining what constitutes "literary merit".
I'm reminded of a lunch I was once privileged to share with super food taster Mark Miller at Tetsuya's restaurant some years ago. It was a bespoke degustation of 17 dishes, each accompanied by a different wine. At the end of this 5-hour epic meal, Tetsuya himself came out of the kitchen to discuss the menu with Miller. Miller was not only able to remember each dish with accuracy (according to the glasses of wine he'd lined up on the table), but also to remember or speculate on Tetsuya's secret ingredient. Tetsuya applauded this performance and declared to the restaurant employees who had gathered around the table (all other diners having long left): "This is the man I cook for."
An extremely talented, sensitive, perceptive audience of one. Such an audience is vital to creativity and genius (not to mention mutual admiration), but such food does little for the person whose level of food appreciation makes them think Macdonalds is the only option available.
Again, there is so much that is thought-provoking here, it is hard to know where to begin. But just in response to your last comment - I have always tried to maintain my political bent, my values and core beliefs, in whatever I write, and I agree that it is incredibly belittling to assume that voice is somehow less valuable because it is easy to 'digest'. To continue your food analogy, we all aspire to eat healthy food that's good for us, but a major challenge is to make that food palatable and appealing.
ReplyDeleteYou make a very important point in the final paragraph of your post, that women - readers, writers, critics and reviewers - must treat other women with professional respect. A memorable review of one of my novels, some years back, began with the line 'If you must read this kind of thing, you could do worse.' This immediately denigrated both myself and my readers in one fell swoop. And it was written by a woman, who was also an author herself.
Well this was the post that was alluded to in the article and I can see why. Excellent post.
ReplyDeleteElizabeth, I agree with you about the importance of narrative and people all around the world over millennia have told stories, mostly through poetry and song. If one were to look at the survival of narrative over time, poetry would win hands down. If you look at bestsellers, then plot driven prose would win. I don't really see this as a divide. It is a marketing driven divide not a writing driven one.
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